Edgar Watkins

Watkins, Edgar

Also Known As Watkins, Edgar 1
Birth Name Watkins, Aneurin 2
Birth Name Watkins, Amory Edgar
Birth Name Watkins, Aneurin Edgar 3
Gramps ID I0020
Gender male

Events

Event Date Place Description Sources
Birth 1883-12-04 Ynysfelin, Penderyn   4 3 5
Residence 1883-12-04 Ynysfelin, Penderyn   4
Residence 1891-04-05 5 High Street, Penydarren, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, UK   5
Occupation 1891-04-05   Scholar 5
Residence 1901-03-31 15 Norman Terrace, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, UK   2
Occupation 1901-03-31   Tramway conductor 2
Residence 1911-04-02 30A, High Street, Penydarren, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, UK   6
Occupation 1911-04-02   Electric Motor-Man 6
Residence (Unknown) 1920 2 Cromwell Street, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, UK   7
Residence 1926 2 Cromwell Street, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, UK   8
Occupation about 1945   worked for Rotax electrical co, Merthyr Tydfil 9 10

Relation to the centre person (Watkins, Thomas) : son

Parents

Relation to main person Name Birth date Death date Relation within this family (if not by birth)
Father Watkins, Thomas [I0017]between 1848-04-04 and 1850-04-05
Mother Price, Margaret [I0018]between 1851-04-08 and 1854-04-05
    Sister     Watkins, Annie [I0011] 1873-06-29 1950-06-25
    Sister     Watkins, Jane [I0022] between 1877-04-04 and 1878-04-03
    Brother     Watkins, Hugh Price [I0019] between 1881-06-01 and 1881-09-30
         Watkins, Edgar [I0020] 1883-12-04
    Brother     Watkins, Thomas William [I0021] between 1885-04-06 and 1886-04-05

Families

    Family of Watkins, Edgar and Pugh, Tydfil [F0132]
Married Wife Pugh, Tydfil [I0365] ( * between 1885-12-01 and 1886-03-31 + 1914-11-07 )
   
Event Date Place Description Sources
Marriage between 1810-12-01 and 1911-03-31 Merthyr Tydfil Registration District   11
  Narrative

There are two Watkins-Pugh children born in Merthyr Tydfil before 1914:
Mary J Watkins, oct-dec 1911
Margaret E Watkins oct-dec 1912

  Children
Name Birth Date Death Date
Watkins, Tyd [I0366]1914-11-072002-01-00
    Family of Watkins, Edgar and Liddiard, Beatrice (Beattie) [F0027]
Married Wife Liddiard, Beatrice (Beattie) [I0184] ( * between 1897-06-01 and 1897-09-30 + ... )
   
Event Date Place Description Sources
Marriage between 1921-09-01 and 1921-12-31 Merthyr Tydfil Registration District   12
  Narrative

There are 3 watkins-liddiard children born in the right timeframe but none match the names we have:
Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Mar 1922 (>99%)
Watkins Dilys M L Liddiard Merthyr T. 11a 1695 Scan available - click to view
Births Dec 1929 (>99%)
Watkins Olive S Liddiard Merthyr T. 11a 1102 Scan available - click to view
Births Dec 1930 (>99%)
Watkins Stuart P Liddiard Merthyr T. 11a 1072 Scan available - click to view

Ah, one short! This from Ancestry:
England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
Birth, Marriage & Death
Name: Dilys M L Watkins
Mother: Liddiard
Birth: Jan Feb Mar 1922 - Merthyr T, Wales

Name: Olive S Watkins
Mother: Liddiard
Birth: Oct Nov Dec 1929 - Merthyr T, Wales

Name: Stuart P Watkins
Mother: Liddiard
Birth: Oct Nov Dec 1930 - Merthyr T, Wales

Name: Audrey R Watkins
Mother: Liddiard
Birth: Apr May Jun 1939 - Merthyr T, Wales

And this is the only watkins-liddiard marriage, ever, and its's in Merthyr with Aneurin E and Bettie, so this must be the right one. So where are these other children? Maybe Dylis M L could be Margaret/Peg, but who are Olive and Stuart? And is Audrey still alive? She's my second cousin!

  Children
Name Birth Date Death Date
Watkins, Peg [I0373]between 1921-12-01 and 1922-03-30before 2009
Watkins, Olive Sylvia [I0374]between 1929-09-01 and 1929-12-31between 1949-12-01 and 1950-03-30
Watkins, Stuart P [I0375]between 1930-09-01 and 1930-12-31between 1930-09-01 and 1930-12-31
Watkins, Audrey Ruth [I0187]between 1939-03-01 and 1939-06-30

Media

Edgar Watkins

Edgar Watkins
Edgar 1908 card

Edgar 1908 card

Narrative

Spoke only English (1891 census)

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Brenda Sennitt thinks this is her great-uncle Edgar, whom she knew. His daughter died of TB aged 18.

[Presumably this is Sylvia, died 1950 aged 20. Emrys]

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"RSD" On AEW's birth certificate stands for "rural sanitary district". See wikipedia!

Narrative

Valerie thinks AEW and Beattie were alive in 1954. I've been though 1954 through 1975 deaths and can find no aneurin edgar watkins anywhere, and only one beatrice watkins in Merthyr, died aged 67 in Apr-Jun 1965, 8b 374 (maybe).

Narrative

Spoke both English and Welsh (1911 census).

I sincerely hope that "Edgar Watkins" on the 1911 census is Aneurin Edgar. His age is a year out in 1911, but "Edgar" was an "electric motor-man" which sounds like he's still a tram conductor.

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Valerie says that AEW was married twice, his second wife being much younger than he.

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From Ruth Jowett to Emrys 2009-8-6:
Hi Emrys,He looks very proud of his inspectors uniform!The photo of Tyd and Albert's wedding was taken in 1955. Do you recogniseany of your Watkins ancestors on it? I don't know any apart from Auntie Tydand Uncle Albert.The other thing my Dad remembered about Edgar was that his hobby was amateurradio, perhaps he inspired my Dad because he ended up on the radio in theRAF in WW2.I'm looking forward to some info about the Watkins.all the bestRuth

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From Ruth Jowett (Moonmooter) to Emrys 2009-8-6
Subject: RE: Edgar Watkins/Tydfil PughHiya Emrys,I don't think we are actually related except by marriage. Tydfil and Edgar's that is! Alvira Tydfil Pugh was my grandmothers sister, making her my great Aunt and Edgar my great uncle in law. I am afraid I know very little about him. My late father who was born in Dowlais vaguely remembered him. He told me that Edgar worked as a fitter for Merthyr Tydfil Electric and Tramway Company and was an Inspector on the trams on the weekends. Tydfil died very young -complications with childbirth according to my father. My Auntie Tyd (their eldest daughter)was born that day. He thought that Edgar married again possibly to a Beat (Beatrice)and they had 2 daughters Audrey and Peg. He also said he believed that Edgar had at least 2 sisters. Is that where you come in? I would love a copy of the 1911. I haven't got round to following all that up yet. I was lucky to inherit quite a lot of family photos although I have only that one of Edgar. I will send you a better copy. Best WishesRuth

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From Margaret Wells to Emrys, 10 Aug 2009

...
Mum was surprised about Edgar Watkins's first wife as she hadn't known about that at all. She remembers Ed coming to work at Rotax factory in about 1947 when Mum was in th eoffice there, also that Ed's daughter Peggy worked there for a while later on.
...

Pedigree

  1. Watkins, Thomas [I0017]
    1. Price, Margaret [I0018]
      1. Watkins, Annie [I0011]
      2. Watkins, Jane [I0022]
      3. Watkins, Hugh Price [I0019]
      4. Watkins, Edgar
        1. Pugh, Tydfil [I0365]
          1. Watkins, Tyd [I0366]
        2. Liddiard, Beatrice (Beattie) [I0184]
          1. Watkins, Peg [I0373]
          2. Watkins, Olive Sylvia [I0374]
          3. Watkins, Stuart P [I0375]
          4. Watkins, Audrey Ruth [I0187]
      5. Watkins, Thomas William [I0021]

Ancestors

Source References

  1. Margaret Wells email 26 Feb 2009 [S0095]
  2. Thomas Watkins 1901 census [S0021]
  3. AEWatkins BMD birth [S0023]
  4. AE Watkins birth certificate [S0035]
  5. Annie Watkins 1891 census [S0009]
  6. Thomas Watkins 1911 census [S0360]
  7. Spring 1920 Electoral register [S0646]
  8. 1926 Electoral Register [S0651]
  9. Letter and email from margaret Wells to Emrys 11 aug 2009 [S0396]
  10. Rotax certificate [S0424]
  11. Edgar Watkins- Pugh 1911 marriage BMD [S0361]
  12. Watkins Liddiard BMD marriage [S0368]